The History of Spindrift Research
explained in 50 numbered paragraphs.
Jesus Christ recommended that prayer be done in secret most of the time. (Jesus explains the reason for secrecy in Matthew 6:6.) Spindrift emphasizes that secret prayer is the only communication that the government can't hear.
Apple has the iPhone and Spindrift has the iPray.
1. What is the premise of Spindrift? The premise is that some prayers occasion effects that register as subtle improvements for a situation. Spindrift explored how to monitor a few of these subtle improvements. Then people ask, "How can invisible prayers be monitored and tested?" Spindrift replies, "You can test some prayers you can’t see, if the prayers have consequences you can see."
2. The history of the Spindrift Research begins with father and son, Bruce and John Klingbeil. They started a science laboratory where volunteers had their prayers tested on modest plant experiments and random number experiments. The duo found a way to quantify effects from some prayers. The experiments of prayer on plants were a new approach to "Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow." (Matthew 6:28.) The random number experiments were a way to show through prayer sometimes numbers of disorder can be reversed into numbers of order. Bruce and John were "Thinking outside of the box wonks." How did they quantify these effects of prayer? Bruce and John measured the micro-effects of prayer on producing patterns of order on organisms. A healing equates to more order. The presence of order after prayer was a quantifiable measurement.
3. Bruce and John Klingbeil co-founded Spindrift Inc. also called Spindrift Research. Spindrift Inc. supported research and education in the fields of quantum physics, consciousness, prayer, and spirituality. Spindrift was an effort for religion and science to find common ground and talk practically with each other. John, the son, said in effect, "Around the whole world, many millions of people practice their prayers daily like they are practicing a musical instrument. Then science should research the power of prayer. Prayer is part of civilization." Bruce said, "You can't heal everything. Those few modest examples of true healing should spark attention to what are some of the laws of human consciousness that brought about those healings. We are not speaking as a cult. We are providing theory and data to backup what are some of the subtle changes and influences going on in our human thoughts that subtly change the material conditions." Bruce also said that, "It would be encouraging to have examples of successes of prayer on hand to help give balance to the failures of healing and the constant drones of evil." Bruce added a caution: If prayer is found to be a true phenomenon of man, one unintended consequence could be the abuse of prayer to do evil toward our neighbor. How can a prayer do evil? Fervent prayer has a psychic punch to it. Spindrift found that the potential motive that drives prayer can be empowering toward good or evil, the divine or the devil. Spiritual motives in prayer are often different than our subconscious agendas in prayer. It's no easy task to untangle one's mind of selfish goals and bad motives toward others in prayer. Bruce explained, "In prayer we are often dealing with the subconscious motives and agendas of a goal-directed mind."
4. Bruce and John's research blended parapsychology and the pun prayer-a-psychology into an original methodology. Bruce and John were Christian Science practitioners. They added scientific data about the effects of prayer to their occupations as practitioners. Bruce said in so many words, "We know a lot about 'how prayer doesn't work.' For example, inflexibility, unyielding beliefs, narrow materialistic goals that don't see better long-term goals, magnetic waves of broadband interference coming at our bodies and minds, and attraction to addictive behaviors over attraction to moral and technological improvements. How should we answer those interferers of prayer? We think with some 'how does prayer work when it does work research.'" Bruce and John became pioneers of prayer in the laboratory. Their prayer experiments at home became the Spindrift laboratory. They felt some discoveries in quantum physics gave Spindrift a boost in the paranormal areas of their research. They found the scientific method to be a path-finder for the prayer forces. Given the proper context for doing quantitative experiments (measuring things), the Klingbeils illustrated the scientific method could also include a qualitative concept of order that would allow for 'some' effects of a Quality order to be tracked by Natural Science. Spindrift found a way to link some effects of quality with the measurements of quantity. What types of effects were followed in the experiments? The effects tracked as data were derived from goal-directed prayer, non goal-directed prayer, indirect prayer, negative prayer, and evil prayer.
5. During the 1960s, Bruce Klingbeil studied the progress being made in science, theology, and medicine since the end of World War II. After his research of these three big institutions in the American culture, Bruce predicted a commanding future influence of science and technology on medicine, religion, and on Americans especially American youth. What did Bruce predict? Science is good, but science would bring unpleasant and unintended consequences. For example, the youth would reject religious teachings. Why? The youth would find most of their answers to life in the temple of technology and the temple of science. The new generations might be forgetting many religious values and rules of behavior. Bruce added that religion, prayer, spiritual lifestyles, Christianity, Judaism, and most anything paranormal in America would take a hit and lose credibility in a scientifically oriented society. The American culture, that encircles Christianity and Judaism, has developed attitudes of a heat-seeking missile toward religion which teaches spiritual distinctions about life and borders of behavior. The statement that the words in the Bible include 'spiritual laws' is laughed at by an increasing number of American people.
6. Bruce's predictions about the dominance of science and technology appear to have come true. For example, if Christianity doesn't have a seat at the table of modern science, it will find it's on the menu. Bruce, John, and daughter Deborah Klingbeil, asked, "Could Western prayer, Judaism, Christianity, synagogues, and church buildings disappear as did Polaroid film, pagers, typewriters, Betamax videotape, 8-Track audiotape, and the telephone booth?" Bruce predicted "Yes." Bruce referred to religious diminishment and disappearance as "The relict of religion." John wrote ten books to help fill-in the gaps left by science, secularism, and new technology. John's ten books are Mind Patterns, The Quiet Revolution, Qualitative Research, The Healer, The Cathedral of the Mind, Moses, The Spindrift Tests, Identity Field Theory, The Spindrift Papers, and Richard Garrett (which is a science fiction novel about the Dark Web and a spiritual system of security, governed by monks, that could protect national security secrets.) John and Bruce also wrote a Spindrift newsletter. In 1996, Dr. Larry Dossey wrote: "No one has so courageously probed the impact of prayer research on society as Spindrift.... The Klingbeils were far out front in considering what these effects might be." Ponder the Spindrift predictions on the FAQ page.
7. Bruce and John were not alone in their worry about the unspiritualization of America. Their prediction for the downfall of Christianity and modern Judaism was early on in the 1970s. That worry is the major reason they sought to do research into the quality forces that drive spiritual thought and prayer. Here is more detail about their prediction. The youth of America would reject religion because of the rise of science, technology, and secularism. Some youth would even work to purge religious teachings from mankind and have them replaced with new and addictive technologies. The atheists would find the youth on their side to roll with moral twists, cutting out God and most religions with their teachings, and the American tradition of prayer in schools would cease. Expect the replacements to be secularism, science, social media, artificially generated VR and AI simulations of reality, and only teach materialistic explanations of truth. The Klingbeils' prediction appears to have materialized. How did we get here? Religion didn't keep pace with change. John had to admit, "None of us like to change too much." This YouTube video illustrates the importance of religion in a democracy.
8. What was Bruce and John's response to the excelling imbalance between science and spirituality in America? They were amateur scientists and started to do research. They analyzed prayers in action with the hope it would stimulate wonderment. They began to explore prayer, human consciousness, and the placebo effect in 1969, in Arlington Heights, a suburb of Chicago, Illinois. In 1969, the year when man first walked on the moon, Bruce sought a connection between his prayers as a Christian Science practitioner and the scientific method. Full-time research began in January 1975, in a Schaumburg, Illinois townhouse. Bruce's wife was not happy with the growing arrangement with test equipment around two rooms in her town-home. Mrs. Klingbeil wanted to be married to a Christian Science practitioner, not a laboratory researcher. Bruce and his son developed tests of thought, prayer, and the placebo effect. Besides themselves, friends and volunteers from different religions prayed for the experiments. At a lab station, a volunteer observed the lower organism he or she prayed-for. The organisms prayed-for were seeds and plants that had needs to be healed and for random numbers that lacked order. With the presence of prayer, numbers produced evidence of order. The random numbers were generated from random number generators RNGs. John and Bruce also formed eight mathematical equations about actions produced by human consciousness. The eight equations were four laws of consciousness and four ratios of consciousness. An occasional Spindrift newsletter, edited by John, was read carefully by doctors, nurses, researchers, and curious religious people. About Spindrift's high-level of readership, skeptics said in effect "There are always doctors and well-educated people who believe in superstition."
9. Bruce and John asked, "Is prayer a natural psychic feature of human functioning?" Why ask such an odd-ball question? The Klingbeils knew more youth and adults were asking if prayer is a primitive myth that deserved the axe by science? Also, atheism foisted a proposition on the minds of the educated population that insisted that the more science you learn, the more disbelief in God you should have or you are an ignoramus to still believe in God. Bruce and John added that the Media and the skeptics reported examples of psychic fraud and depraved religious behavior which made a believer in anything invisible that is not provable to the five senses look like he was an ignoramus to believe it. Bruce said, "Then there is the specter of the placebo effect" that may dismiss the psi element that influences some prayers (the psi element refers to the effect from a psychic influence that acts at-a-distance). The placebo effect is a distorting factor for psi effects. The placebo effect often satisfies an explanation of how a spiritual healing occurred. The placebo effect explanation dismisses the psi-healing element that should have triggered people to become more curious about what else could possibly have happened during the healing. (See paragraph 25.) The Klingbeils preferred that believers gain more curiosity about how prayer operates within consciousness. Without more curiosity by believers, placebo effects could become the scientific explanation of how prayer works. Add to the placebo explanation the advances being made in science, medicine, and technology, prayer and psi have become a challenge to explain for Christians, religious and spiritual people.
10. Why say "prayer and psi have become a challenge to explain for Christians, religious and spiritual people?" It's because advances made in science might someday debunk prayer or find a dark use for prayer, psi, and religion. Science, technology, robots, video games, VR, AI, and the social media are already replacing God and religious teaching for the youth. The evolution of digital reality seems to paint the human mind opaque for young people. An opaque mind can't naturally perceive God, spiritual teachings, and paranormal truths. In some cases, social VR is sending people delusions to not believe anything is true about Christ or Truth.
11. Some examples of the challenge for groups like Spindrift are these: A beautiful and successful woman in her thirties said to a Spindrift member, "You are one of those people who goes home at night and prays to one of a number of those mythological Gods like Zeus." A junior high school boy said, "I don't believe in God. I believe in science." Another youth said, "I don't need to know if prayer works. I get all my answers from the Internet." Another said the equivalent of "I find my religious experiences in virtual reality." An adult said, "My spirituality includes cannabis." A man in his thirties said, "Spindrift is like UFO chasers. You can't measure something that doesn't exist." A Spindrift member's friend, who believes in prayer, said, "What the Klingbeils are doing is fanciful. No one can measure prayer in the history of the world. I like you, but you scare me." Mr. Sweet mentioned to a lady friend that he wanted to share what Spindrift does. She promptly said, "If you do, I don't want to be your friend anymore." A church friend, who earned a Ph.D., said, "The Klingbeils are dangerous and what they are doing is dangerous." Another friend said, "I won't let you and Spindrift destroy my church!" A woman president of Spindrift had a close church friend who essentially said to her, “It’s not healthy for me to talk with you and associate with you anymore because of your participation in Spindrift.” Another church friend, who was opposed to Spindrift from what others said to him, never asked his friend, who was President of Spindrift, any questions. When asked by her if she could discuss Spindrift with him? He replied, 'Not in this world or the next." After finding out about Spindrift, a Christian wrote to Spindrift that the experiments and the Christian Science religion were controlled by demons. Forsake both of them. If you continue your work, you are a servant of Satan. Another Christian said, in effect, "We pray to stop you and your experiments from working. But it's not negative prayer we use on you guys because we are on the side of right." In 1988, a Los Angeles area Christian church had a prayer meeting that had its members pray to stop the experiments from working. During the 1980s and 1990s, Spindrift became aware of several prayer circles around the United States who took up submitted requests to pray against the heretical tests of prayer done by Spindrift. The following quote is copied from a letter: "You and your Dr. Dossey are wandering about in the wilderness of half-awakened thought." Bruce and John Klingbeil would agree we are wandering about in a wilderness of Matrix-like virtual reality. (A Journey into Prayer, Chapter Seven.)
12. John and Bruce would reply to critics of testing prayer this way: "Are you just going to sit back and let science and our youth eventually dismiss and debunk prayer, religious values, or anything that has psychic potential?" "Yes. We choose to ignore that stuff" critics may say. In contrast, what if some aspects of prayer and psychic abilities are found to be true and these abilities are incorporated into society through advertisements that trigger people to buy items on the Internet, sprinkling mental triggers to get reactions to news headlines, or signals of mass mesmerism accomplished through virtual reality? For example, there now exists high-tech brain hacking on our youth and adults which intentionally makes them addicted to iPhones and the social media. We know from history some religions can produce mesmerism. What if high-tech-prayer could be used as a psychic tool to manipulate religious people to do subconsciously driven behaviors? Prayers could be sent out on a digital prayer wheel with suggestions attached to focus people to pay attention. People will register the suggestions as their own thoughts. Then people will pay attention and make decisions to buy, vote, or answer questions they cherry-pick from a list without knowing they were not choosing an answer with their own freewill to choose with their own original thoughts.
13. Individuals will be rare who are able to separate their own original thinking from groupthink. That we choose with our own freewill becomes problematic in an AI, artificial intelligence, world. In a Matrix-like world, people might have to fight-for any traces left of having freewill to choose with their own thinking. Bruce and John worried high-tech types of addiction and mind control experienced by the population would become as an everyday routine as drinking water. Now we may begin to grasp why a fringe group, such as Spindrift, should fit in with the changes happening in society. The divinely natural holiness of man and woman has been sidetracked, covered-up, and replaced by high-tech and fast-paced Media noise which continually hits our minds, brains, and bodies. The Bible verse, "Be still, and know that I am God," doesn't have a chance with all the modern noise and digital realities. (Psalm 46:10.) Spindrift thinks of the word Quality as the Christ eliminating disorder in the world. John Klingbeil said in essence, "The noise of 'information overload' is blocking out spirituality and deceiving us to copy thoughts from other people, programs, and advertisements that we falsely believe we reflect as our own original thoughts. If we have no subjective Quality thinking of our own, we will have no Quality power to drive prayer and spirituality.... The spiritual threat to mankind is that our individual subjective thinking is being bombarded, manipulated and reprogrammed. The result is that we live in virtual realities where narratives are suggested to us to act out. These superimposed sidetracking narratives on our thinking separate us from knowing what is true about the divine realities of Life, Truth, and Love." There is little doubt the cyber evils and virtual deceptions that occupy our five material senses are the new enemies of perceiving spiritual reality.
14. Bruce and John were pro-technology. However, it should become apparent cyber evil and virtual deceptions are becoming new enemies of developing perceptions of spiritual reality. Bruce, John and daughter Deborah predicted correctly atheism and secularism would excel as technology and science excelled and replaced religion and God. The Klingbeils asked, "What will happen when machines and robots become smarter than people? Where are religious values going to go in machines and in digitally created realities of VR and AI? What are Christians and religious people going to do when God's creation is replaced with algorithms?" Bruce and John wondered what people would do if their dependency on digital devices was cutoff from landline connections and the wireless-ether which has become Wi-Fi? People would feel their lives were out-of-control. A science fiction series on cable about virtual reality has this line: “In this town, we don’t tolerate religion.” The worship of digital devices has become the new religion in town. The Klingbeils predicted human prayers could be eclipsed by a constant whir of psychic cyber prayers and cyber spinning prayer wheel messages that hit the minds and brains of people. Spiritually minded people might be horrified when they recognize their mind, life, identity, and liberty are moving toward a controlled technological digital destiny. A modern tech-man could wake-up one day traumatized to find out machines are his slave masters that demand his obedience. Add to that future scenario what Bruce and John Klingbeil discovered about the effects of dark consciousness, such as demonic defense mechanisms which deny us Truth, and evil prayers and intentions on the Internet that are protected under the cover of freedom of religion, there should arise a "Technological Dark Ages." John believed science fiction could teach us the scary futures for Christianity and mankind. (See A Journey into Prayer, pages 124 - 128 and John's science fiction novel, Richard Garrett.)
15. In 1980, Spindrift set-up a second lab site where volunteers could walk-in and pray for the experiments. Spindrift had two laboratories in two houses. Neighbors were freaked-out when they heard neighbors and other people were being tested while they prayed for the experiments. (Examples of responses from volunteers about what they were thinking during their prayers for the experiments are published at the bottom of the Experiments page.) During the early 1980s, Spindrift Inc. hired a statistician to analyze its data. In 1981, operating from Schaumburg with twelve working members, Spindrift incorporated in Illinois as a 501c nonprofit organization. John was the first president of Spindrift which had a three person board of directors. In 1982, the Klingbeils sold their townhouse in Schaumburg, Illinois. Bruce and John moved to Palatine, Illinois. Spindrift had several graduate students apply to become the Spindrift Lab Manager and a Project Manager. The students wanted to work in the Spindrift laboratory that was doing unique research of human consciousness producing healing effects Spindrift called qualitative effects of order occasioned by thought and prayer. Spindrift found out it couldn't sustain paying the salary of a fulltime manager. Later, a wealthy volunteer became a Project Manager.
16. In November 1983, Bruce's church leaders in Boston removed him as a practitioner for scientifically testing prayer. (Bruce's expulsion is explained in paragraph 43.) There were decent reasons why the Klingbeils and several Spindrift members were paranoid. Here are true examples of paranoia: In 1983, as word got out Bruce was punished by his church for testing prayer and he wouldn't recant, more church members who were Spindrift members began to get into trouble with their branch churches. A Ph.D. in biology in her forties, who didn't need a salary, decided to move from New York and assist with the Spindrift research of prayer. Police found her dead in her apartment with her boxes packed ready to move. Everyone at Spindrift was alarmed. Another lady, who had majored in science at college and was fun to talk with, did not agree with what Spindrift was doing at all. She persistently kept pelting a series of in-depth questions at Spindrift. Gradually, she began to coalesce some concepts and procedures which appealed to her. She was ready to accept some of the research but suddenly dropped dead in her late forties. In the mid-1980s, another alarming incident happened. A well-known scientist in England, Glen Schaefer, was interested in the links the Klingbeils were developing between religion and science through the experiments of prayer. Spindrift asked Richard Oakes, a Spindrift supporter, to fly to England to speak with Glen Schaefer. After getting off the airplane, Richard Oakes was shocked that two weeks earlier, the scientist dropped dead. Richard cried while speaking on the phone to Spindrift. In 1988, PBS filmed an interview with Bruce and John at their home. At the last minute, the program was stopped from airing. John cried. Other than saying, "It was a business decision," the PBS Producer was ordered not to tell anyone at Spindrift why the interview was hurriedly cancelled by a higher up. Bruce and John asked to purchase a copy of the videotape. PBS said, "No." They owned the videotape. Someone squashed Spindrift from being on PBS television. Twice the Klingbeils had professional grant writers write proposals to obtain funds for a Spindrift project. The grant proposals were rejected. Later, an entrepreneur in Colorado became excited about Spindrift and phoned Spindrift. He talked with the Klingbeils. He flew his private airplane to a Salem, Oregon airport and met with Bruce and John. This man helped write a grant proposal for a test. He also accepted being the Project Manager for the proposed test. This man's gallant effort to procure a grant for a Spindrift project was turned down by the grant funders. Understandably, the man gave up on the Spindrift Research.
17. Some positive events happened in 1989. Dr. Larry Dossey began to write books that included Spindrift's work. Nuclear engineer Ted Rockwell began writing articles about the Klingbeils' research. Four Spindrift members presented a panel discussion about Spindrift for a consciousness organization in Chicago, Illinois. In June 1989, a Spindrift member presented a scientific and mathematical paper, written by Bruce and John Klingbeil, at a consciousness conference in Sacramento, California. In 1990, Spindrift board member, John Andrews, was chosen to be the Republican candidate to run for governor of Colorado. The perceived psychiatrically insane Spindrift experiments became a sore point of contention for the opposition to Andrews. The main issue that queered John Andrews' chances from being elected governor was his association with the fringy oddity of Spindrift that tested prayer. But the Spindrift ideas and experiments did become a national news story. Read about this 1990 Colorado governor's election in A Journey into Prayer, Chapter Four, "Politics and Prayer."
18. Bruce and John continued to anticipate a creeping skepticism and discredit of prayer, psi, and Jesus Christ's accomplishments. Scientists said storytelling and testimonies about healings by prayer and paranormal experiences masqueraded as proof. Magical thinking is defined as "the inferior prelogical belief of causality." Some scientists, psychological associations, atheists, and magicians labeled prayer as magical thinking. Failures of prayer, the extremism of some religious dogmas, and psychic predictions gone wrong has added ammunition for skeptics to show there is nothing psychic or prayerful going on in human existence. Skeptics, atheists, and the victims of psychic financial abuse and religious dependency would point to fraud and greed to discredit religion, prayer, and psychic claims. Bruce and John Klingbeil proposed to test prayer, and some other paranormal claims, to separate fraud and far-out claims from genuine psychic abilities. Testing some religious claims to be accountable to the public was a good idea to protect the public from fraud. The question for Christians was "Does Christianity prefer filling the saddlebag over having the horsepower to keep pace with science and technology where it's possible to do so?"
19. Spindrift joked that when trying to verify any paranormal claim "The dog ate the homework" or "It's like catching lightning bugs in a bottle" or "It's like jumping onto a moving train" or "It's like stapling down cotton candy." When Bruce and John did their research, they were frequently told testing prayer for a measurable effect couldn't possibly be done. So how did they proceed? The research was preliminary and preclinical. The Klingbeils followed micro-psychic-effects which occurred when thought was presented to a chosen organism or system as a patient. Who were the patients chosen? Bruce and John did basic science on grass seeds, mold, mung beans, soybeans, bacteria, yeast, yogurt, the remote viewing of cards, some cows and horses that needed help, some crops in farmer's fields, the effect of thought on electronic circuits, and how psychic-thought subtly creates order within random number generators (RNGs), randomly tossed dice, and randomly shuffled cards. For the experiments on beans, John counted beans until his fingers were bloody. John quipped, "Spindrift is not only grassroots, but it prays for grass roots!" Spindrift was financially supported by the Spindrift staff. Attempts to get grant money failed. Athletes have coaches, so why not the founders of Spindrift? John was a math wiz, but occasionally math professors were hired to tutor Bruce and John. Bruce and John were fascinated with the math behind fractals and origami to reveal the inner order developed inside their experiments. They also consulted with experimental parapsychologists. A working scientist was hired to check that the scientific method was properly followed in the experiments. Occasionally a lawyer was hired to check that Spindrift was legally in proper corporation order. The lawyer advised that Bruce and John should not be on the Board of Directors. The lawyer insisted Bruce and John should only run the Spindrift prayer laboratory.
20. Aside from America becoming more secular and pushed forward by science, what else sparked the desire for the Klingbeils to do the Spindrift research? When prayer failed to heal a person, failure was obvious to the public. Skeptics loved to tout the failures of religion, prayer and healing, and point to examples of psychic fraud. Then Bruce noticed when a healing was successful, some people wondered if their healing was genuinely influenced by a distant prayer. Bruce and John recognized some prayers brought about healing results, but most of these successful prayers could be explained away by strong belief, expectation, and the placebo effect. Some people would wonder, "Did the prayer assist me or not? Or was the healing from coincidence, the imagination, and the placebo effect?" Spindrift asked, "How do you separate out prayer when a healing could be explained from a combination of all those mental ingredients?" After all, some people had changed their memory of success to doubt creeping into their minds. They questioned if they had a healing. Other people forgot or denied they had a healing. A few volunteers who came to the Spindrift laboratory and prayed for the tests were happy at the time to observe the results of their prayers on healing plant organisms. Later, while they pondered what they had done and seen, or when they discussed the tests with someone who told them they were being tricked by the Devil to pray for those tests, they were embarrassed they had participated in the tests, or now they were shocked they had witnessed their prayers working. The denials became the beginning of the Spindrift Defense Mechanism explanation of why mortals sometimes ignore or soon deny they had an extraordinary experience. (Defense Mechanisms are discussed in paragraphs 23 and 24.) The tests of prayer didn't become a social craze, but fortunately there were participants who were thrilled to see their thoughts have an empirical effect. For more reasons why Bruce and John began the research, see Question 12 and Question 13 from the FAQ pages.
21. What about people who acknowledge they had a successful healing or saw or had a vivid psychic experience and they decide to tell friends and family about it? In the retelling of a psychic or spiritual experience, details often emerge that are exaggerations of what happened or some details become lies. There are some people who try to avoid most of the subconscious gremlins that would divert them from being honest and accurate about retelling their unusual experiences. Their stories are clearer and firmer, but their odd stories can often make them look foolish to friends and family.
22. Bruce Klingbeil asked, "Why do some people have a psychic experience or a spiritual healing and later change some details or forget or deny that they ever had a paranormal experience or a spiritual healing? Are some people thrown a mental block and not allowed to express what happened to them? Could our fresh psychic memories be strong at first, but sometimes be sabotaged from relating true details about our psychic and spiritual experiences? Does our human mind not adjust well to odd and shocking information? We think so." Bruce added, "Is it logical then that we can't study much about prayer effects and psychic effects without first investigating what makes the psychic and spiritual effects slippery and disappear?" Yes. It's logical to research the resistance to being honest and accurate about retelling a psychic or spiritual experience.
23. So Bruce and John studied the Defense Mechanisms of the mind. They hypothesized that the Defense Mechanisms helped to explain why people have a spiritual healing or a psychic experience they soon alter, keep hidden, forget, or deny they had. If people did recall their paranormal experiences, they often exaggerated what had happened, so their recollections became polluted with inaccuracies. Apparently, Defense Mechanisms want us to have smeared recollections of our paranormal experiences. Why? Bruce and John postulated a theory that a subconscious defense system was at work that often triggered denials, distortions, diversions, forgetfulness, and inaccuracies to sabotage the credibility of psychic, UFO, and spiritual experiences people have. Other than in a relaxed social situation or among a few friends, people are often booby trapped when they open their mouths and share a healing or a psychic experience or a UFO sighting. Why? The Defense Mechanism phenomenon operates to distort and distract us from what happened to us, so we stay in a normal range. Why? So we human beings don't get too sidetracked by woo-woo. Defense Mechanisms often want us to maintain a semblance of safe, conformist, and orderly lifestyles. The slices of paranormal experiences that people do remember fairly well are shared with few people out of fear of sounding like a fool.
24. The Klingbeils felt their Defense Mechanism theory and data about paranormal experiences not being allowed to be accurately observed or accurately shared with other people could be Spindrift's most important discovery. The theory hypothesizes how the tracking of paranormal effects is defeated. Additionally, Defense Mechanisms promote that persistent believers in the paranormal have less credibility in society because they tend to have less than normal lifestyles. So don't listen to believers. (See Question 8 on the FAQ page.) Some skeptics and magicians add their doubts to psychic and prayer experiences by showing how psychic events could be duplicated by playing magic tricks on people's senses and emotions. Also, the scientific culture and the growth of atheism, in the name of progress, are changing minds to not accept psychic and spiritual experiences as genuine or real experiences. There are some neuroscientists who postulate paranormal beliefs are only the brain hardwired to get us to believe self-deceptions that include prayer and elements of our religious training. After our brains create the false realities, and we believe these falsities are true: Then our Defense Mechanisms work on us human beings to forget or deny that our experiences and beliefs are true. What a trick of the mind.
25. The placebo effect is the power of our internal belief-system to produce healing changes in us human beings. It's well known the placebo effect has a power to heal. Scientists are confused about the power of prayer, and ask, "Do prayers do anything that isn't explained by the placebo effect?" The father and son pursued the placebo question. They analyzed subsets and sequences of the effects of prayers and placebos. They hypothesized a way to isolate an ordering-characteristic of prayer. This isolated effect could be distinguished from will-power and the placebo effect. This ordering-characteristic they called ordering-effects. Ordering-effects act on an appropriate response to prayer versus what a person has decided as his belief that he wants to happen and wills from his prayer. Bruce and John observed the cultivation of holy thoughts in the subconscious mind occasion subtle ordering-effects. When they shared the concept of holy thoughts (qualitative thoughts) that produce ordering-effects, they found the concept difficult to communicate to others: The concept being there are shades of differences of thoughts. For example, to pour in holy thoughts to replace negative thoughts is to "Overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21.) To practice what thoughts should be replaced in us is the cultivation of our thought. The cultivation of our thought includes the cultivation of Life, Truth, and Love that gives qualitative focus to a prayer. This cultivation of a quality ingredient or corrective Christ in our thought brings about ordering-effects that are suitable for the circumstances. Bruce and John contrasted the differences of the effects by showing that ordering-effects function in a separate pattern than how patterns of order function from how the human mind tends to bring about its placebo effects on order and goals. It should be significant for science to isolate a qualitative ingredient that resonates quality and order within our own human consciousness. The mental pathways that connect a person's thoughts to patients, pets, plants, and situations Bruce and John called Associational Linkage explained here.
26. Ordering-effects are often stimulated by non goal-directed prayer. What is non goal-directed prayer? Non goal-directed prayer tries to avert having a human goal or bias become dominate in one's thought. Instead, non goal-directed prayer addresses and affirms the primary purpose, pure identity, and proper order to emerge behind the material appearances. Non goal-directed prayer goes deeper than most human goals. It's a "Thy will be done" prayer. "Thy will be done" prayer listens, and says, "Let's pray it by ear and try not to stick to a specific goal." Here is a "Thy will be done" prayer: "The goals of the material world and the Matrix don't have power over me. The outcomes of the Life, Truth, and Love of God do have power over me. My inborn identity is aligned with 'Thy will be done,' not my human agenda." A figurative way to describe ordering-effects is, they are subtle light-emissions that bring order and healing.
27. In contrast, goal-directed prayer has a specific goal in mind. Goal-directed prayer and its directed effects often dwell on goals a person wants to achieve. With exceptions, our human goals don't naturally emphasize the primary purpose, order, and the divine identity behind a situation. Here is another way to say it: Having goals is a close-ended system. Having no goals is an open-ended system. Then what is holy prayer? It's open-ended prayer. Holy thought moves what is prayed-for toward a pattern of order. The pattern of order probably isn't what we had in mind because we often focus on a human goal. Unholy prayer is thought that often triggers disorder of some kind. For example, "Let my sports team win." Human beings see goals. Holy prayer doesn't see goals. Holy prayer sees a high-order of Quality that encompasses the big picture. A goal might be included in the big picture. John Klingbeil explained: “What spiritual non goal-directed power comes from is the intender’s intent to love a patient or situation without having a directed goal in mind. You don’t have to have a goal in mind. Just have openness, empathy, love, and compassion for the person or situation.” Praying without a goal is counterintuitive to how we human beings think, plan, and take action. Question 3 and Question 6 on the FAQ pages explain the different effects produced from goal-directed prayers and non goal-directed prayers.
28. Bruce and John were effect oriented. How did Bruce and John monitor the effects from prayer? First they monitored the patterns of the norms of the subjects before the subjects received prayer and after the subjects received prayer. Then the effects of prayer were monitored as two contrasting effects from prayer. The two effects manifested as two distinct patterns. What are these two distinct patterns? Volunteers who prayed for the Spindrift tests either got a pattern of effects that were goal-directed effects or they got a pattern of effects that were non goal-directed effects. Some volunteers got no effect at all from their prayers. What did the two effect-patterns represent? Goal-directed effects pushed the subjects around. Goal-directed effects mostly missed what was needed by the subjects of prayer. Non goal-directed effects hit the mark of what the subjects actually needed. Hitting the mark of what the subjects needed was designated a successful healing. Question: Is it the busy human mind or the still small voice of the divine Mind that influences the two effects? That question to pursue was derived from Bruce pondering Science and Health page 82, line 31 about the motives for prayer. Apparently there is a Quality influence that does not originate in the human mind.
29. Jesus Christ demonstrated powerful prayers of order. Jesus established he was the epitome of what prayer and wisdom could potentially do for human beings. Jesus was the Christ Scientist who showed there is an ordering-element to divine-laws. The corrective Christ within human consciousness can present effects that manifest Quality and order. How does Spindrift describe such Quality effects? Quality effects are light-emissions that bring order and healing. Patterns of Quality and order that reference norms should appeal to a few scientists. Bruce and John Klingbeil had discussions with scientists about the ordering-power of laws centered on reestablishing norms of order.
30. Prayer and preparation let us become our best under stress. A positive prayer is the confident expectation of good. Affirmations in prayer lift the mind above dwelling on negations. Negative thoughts are fierce competitors for getting all the attention in the mind of a person praying. When our minds drift, that may be an indication of what to pray about. Aside from the positive affirmative prayers, Bruce and John investigated dark consciousness; the negative and biased thoughts that some people think, pray, and transmit. Biased prayers affect people and goals unfairly. Negative prayers can be focused as venomous weapons used to send dis-ordering-effects to harm people. Spindrift found that positive prayers move what is prayed-for 'toward' order and negative prayers move what is prayed-for 'away' from order. There are religious marksmen and markswomen who shoot sniper prayers at their neighbors, co-workers, politicians, relatives, former boyfriends and girlfriends, members of other religions and their own religion. A sniper's evil prayers aim to inflict ill-health, accidents, and demise on people perceived to deserve hatred, revenge, or pain. Spindrift became a harbinger for negative pulses from religious prayers.
31. What is shaping-up to be the biggest religious issue of the Twenty-first Century? The encroachment of Islam into Christian countries. What is the most pertinent prayer issue of the Twenty-first Century? Killer prayers prayed by Islamic terrorists. Most of the terrorism in the world begins with negative toxic prayers.
32. As far as is known, Spindrift was the first group to explore and warn about negative prayers and the terrorists' prayers. During 1986 - 1987, Spindrift began to advise people to listen to the toxic words in the prayers of the Islamic terrorists. The prayers proclaimed their plans to kill Jews, Muslims, and Americans. The prayers howled by Muslim terrorists should be seriously listened to because "Words precede deeds." Watch out for the blunt, not so secret messages, sent by unholy prayers to believers. The West struggles with the hypnotism from a constant flow of poison prayers that drive followers to commit killings in the name of God and religion. After 9/11, Spindrift gave the same advice about the terrorists' prayers. Listen to the words as promises. Negative prayers have consequences. Negative prayers turn into seditious actions. When religion becomes sedition, stop the freedom of religion. Religious subversion to take over countries is blooming in front of our eyes. Old beautiful European churches are being converted to mosques. One of two of Mrs. Eddy's favorite architecturally beautiful church structures, Saint Sophie in Constantinople, Turkey was transformed into a mosque. American churches are next. Questions 10 and 11 on the FAQ page discuss negative religion and negative prayer: Here are Question 10 and Question 11.
33. The Klingbeils asked about the freedom of religions, healers, and psychics to do almost anything they wanted to do without being evaluated for what they do for society's sake. Asking for healers and psychics to have some paranormal accountability when accountability involved money, faith, or health was off-limits to do. Accountability informs people about who they give their money to for a spiritual leader, a faith healer, a televangelist, a psychic. When proposing tests to evaluate psychic abilities, instead of "encourage," Spindrift usually got the syllable "rage." Spindrift was considered kooky for proposing the evaluation and rating of prayer and psychic abilities. Society could use a rating system. Evaluation of abilities was messing with the money that people make as healers and psychics. Fraud detection was another reason to test for the presence of nonlocal abilities. Bruce and John Klingbeil continued their research despite criticism for thinking it proper or possible to test people praying. Their theories of how to tap some of the psychic and holy forces of one's consciousness, if found to be plausible by science, would stir as much fear and concern for some people, as it would cause delight for others.
34. Some dislike of the Klingbeils was understandable. The results from testing psychics and religious leaders might affect how psychics and religious leaders make a living. The skeptics suspected that the Klingbeils had an open agenda to promote religion, fringe science, and magical thinking. Some Christians said that Spindrift was an unChristian cult, or it was Satanic, or it deified science over God. Many religious people hated the idea that their private scared prayers could potentially be tested to see if the prayers worked or not. Both the skeptics and believers agreed that Spindrift was wacko to "Mainline the cool aid" of attempting to combine the scientific method with prayer. Bruce and John replied to critics that religion better soon find some common ground with the sciences in order to survive the future domination of science and secularism. Else, the wagons of religion will be circling a drain. It's true that Spindrift is fringe science. Bruce and John pointed out to critics that doing fringe science is still doing science. It's also true that Spindrift is taboo when it asked people to have their prayers tested in a lab. But the Spindrift tests did cause a prayer-a-digm shift toward testing prayer in a lab. Bruce said in effect: "Prayer science being far-out can also mean being far-out front."
35. Christian Science emphasizes introspection to discover man who reflects his root prime identity. Christian Science addresses questions like these: "Man's born identity claims to be entirely an animal identity. When we conceive of a man or a woman as living entirely 100% as an animal derived from apes, does that amount to spiritual identity theft? Yes. Then is there a deeper truth to the I in man's identity than a network of bio-neural chemical synapses? Yes. Then what could be man's deeper born identity?" Digging deeper than the material appearance of a man or a woman, man's native born identity is a spiritual identity. This deeper identity of man is a reflected image of God. We should learn to reflect God's image of man and connect God's Love to each other and strive not to be as connected to our animal nature. Our animal nature only sees the shadows and sins of a man. Man's deeper identity is found to be a reflection manifested by Mind.
36. Progressively, we are moving toward this reflected lighted spiritual image and identity of man as described in 1st. John, Chapter 3, verses 1 - 3. The Christian Science angle is man is derivative of God as Mind with a capital letter M. "Have this Mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus" is affirmed. (Philippians 2:5.) Christian Science teaches it takes the Mind of Christ to spark a fresh spiritual perspective to counter the sin of mortal man and materialist deceptions. Our perceptions of reality are blinded with deceptions, such as portrayed in the movie The Matrix. Without Christ in your human consciousness, you can travel so far into the Matrix, as consuming virtual materialistic deceptions on your five senses, that you can't get out of the addictive deceptions. To be trapped in the Matrix is similar to the song "Hotel California." The hotel is Hell. You can't leave the hotel. As The words of "Hotel California" state: "We are programmed to receive. You can check out anytime you want, but you can never leave." Life may improve a bit when we start to wake-up and realize we are living in the deceptions of the Matrix Hotel. We discover to follow Christ Jesus becomes an escape hatch to some of the deceptions projected by the Matrix Hotel. Our waking-up slowly leads us out of the hotel to become less deceived by our sensory circumstances. Another song, "This Masquerade," suggests: "We're lost in a masquerade." There is physical war. There is also a war of deceptions projected on our individual human consciousness. Mary Baker Eddy taught the future should provide new forms of sins and deceptions about reality that come from new forms of materiality and evil. She wrote: "You command the situation if you understand that mortal existence is a state of self-deception and not the truth of being." (Science and Health, page 403.) These self-deceptions hypnotize us to follow narratives in life that would have us avoid any spiritual interpretation of existence or any perception of the truth of being. She advises us to seek the Christ, Truth in creation, and "Wake to know a world more bright." (Hymn 253.)
37. Mary Baker Eddy went from "Who's Who" to "Who is She?" In the year 1900, Mrs. Eddy was as well-known as Steve Jobs of Apple is well-known today. "What is most often ignored is that Christian Science was a most remarkable event in American social history and that Mary Baker Eddy, its discoverer and founder, was a most remarkable, talented, and individualistic woman." (American Heritage, Volume 32, 1980.)
38. In 2019, the General Social Survey found the largest religious group in the United States was atheists and none. In 2020, spiritual laws, Bible reading, and spiritual healing are disappearing from the education and acquaintance of mankind. In the early decades of Christianity and Christian Science, there were instantaneous healings to catch the stimulus and response time between prayer and a healing. People sometimes witnessed prayer and effect. In the Twenty-first Century, when there is a healing, it's frequently stretched out over time where no nexus is made between stimulus and response; cause and effect. There is no astounding instantaneous moment of connection of the prayer with the healing to galvanize our curiosity about Spirit. Understandably, medical advances have shifted our curiosity about Spirit. Also, the zeitgeist of society has switched from belief in Spirit to unbelief in Spirit. In one ancient mention about Jesus Christ's own townsfolk is this reaction to him: "[Jesus] was amazed at their unbelief." (Mark 6:6.) People who do believe in spiritual influences on them, how quickly do they recognize an enemy attack on them? Not as quickly as they recognize the spiritual influences on them. The attacks on the spiritual influences that help people occur at the highest stages of spirituality because we are still in the realm of human beliefs.
39. Christian Science was criticized for teaching Jesus was a Savior and a Scientist. Jesus as a Savior was all right, but many Christians scolded Christian Scientists for believing Jesus was a Scientist. The Klingbeils' worry for Christian Scientists was many Christian Scientists experienced the Normalcy Bias. The Normalcy Bias means folks underestimate the potential for disaster at hand. Examples are people who don't respond to a canary that stops singing in a coal mine or a tornado warning or churches previously full are being emptied or a health issue that is ignored. Yet Christian Science, as the Science of Reflection, had some insights to offer about science, theology, medicine, and a fresh theory about creation: The creation theory is about what is underlying our visible creation. Underlying our visible creation is a blueprint reflection of creation which includes a holigraphic reflection of man (pun intended). Christian Science has lost momentum to move Christianity into a future with lots of science. Why? There is the perception Christian Science is only a religion with no science to it. Also, Christians frequently distrust science and evolution: Christianity sometimes perceives science as a replacement for God for the youth that has created a paradigm shift away from the Church. As seen here, some religious concerns about science and technology are justified. There were also some failures of healing in the public's mind which have left little desire to learn how does Christian Science teaching support the progress accomplished in the scientific, medical, consciousness, and theological fields.
40. In 1977, Bruce and John purchased an Apple II computer with an early serial number. The computer began automating test measurements of the effects of prayer and thought. What constituted a successful experiment of spiritual prayer healing? A successful healing was the emergence of an agreed-upon pattern of order after prayer. The agreed-upon pattern of order defined and fit with the norms of an organism. The Apple computer also had a random number generator board (an RNG board) installed that brought progress in understanding how randomness, which represented disorder, could be modified by the subtle influences of thought and prayer to become congruent with patterns of order. Bruce and John appreciated the foresight of the two founders of Apple Corporation. The Apple founders started in a garage. The Spindrift founders started in a kitchen. Similar to the Apple founders, Bruce and John said that the decisions that Spindrift made should potentially fit with what could become a strange technological future. Another concern for the future was the extinction of silence. Silence is an ingredient of prayer and meditation. See Question 7, part 4, on the FAQ page here about silence.
41. Bruce's experiments filled the townhouse kitchen and dining room. The clutter of plants and equipment helped to trigger a divorce for him. In 1977, to remain listed as an available practitioner for the public, Bruce was asked by his church directors to stop praying directly for the various experiments of prayer. So his son John took over all the praying for the experiments with the assistance of the Spindrift volunteers. Bruce provided ideas and mathematical support for John. Bruce had fun conjecturing about the Board of Directors of the Christian Science Church. He wondered what would the directors do if a couple of scientists walked into their board room in Boston, and asked, "Why didn't you say more about your church's foray into Science? Tell us more about your spiritual premise of Science linked with Christianity and human consciousness?" Also "We discovered Mrs. Eddy accepted Darwin's theory of evolution to explain the human material mortal man. Her acceptance sets her apart from the religious leaders of her day. In contrast to mortal man and material creation, please tell us about her theory of creation as a reflection?" There were some scientific inquiries, but they were rarely reported to the church membership. (See A Journey into Prayer, page 301, note 18.)
42. In Illinois in 1983, a rumor was circulating that Bruce Klimgbeil was getting most of his math and science ideas for John from a brilliant Japanese woman. She had a Ph.D. in the design of experiments. Bruce liked her and invited her to travel from Japan to Palatine, Illinois. She became a wife for Bruce. The story of a new wife with a Ph.D. in science actually sounded great. If only the story were true. Maybe the rumor got its start from two religiously oriented science groups in Japan who had an interest in the discoveries made by Bruce and John. These Japanese men and women liked Bruce. One group wanted to have pictures of Bruce and John projected on large video screens in Tokyo and other cities in Japan. This group travelled to meet Bruce and John to learn about Spindrift first hand. At this Spindrift meeting, with six members of this Japanese religious group, Bruce asked that their pictures not be used for publicity purposes. The meeting is an example of an interest in Spindrift outside of Bruce's own church. The adage, "A prophet is not accepted in his own land" seems to fit.
43. In November 1983, Bruce's church headquarters wrote him a letter that said he could no longer “believe in" testing holy prayer in a science laboratory and remain listed as a practitioner in the Christian Science Journal. Bruce would not "recant" his belief that prayer could be tested in a science laboratory. In December 1983, the church leaders dropped his listing as a practitioner. Bruce asked the Directors of the church if he could fly to Boston and explain the importance of scientifically exploring the effects of prayer and spiritually. The Directors wrote Bruce, it was unnecessary to meet with him in person. Bruce's correspondence with the Directors was enough information to know what he was doing. Twenty-six and a half years of being listed as a practitioner apparently meant nothing.
44. In 1984, from the loss of income from losing his listing as a practitioner, and over the objections of the Spindrift staff members who volunteered to make up some of the financial losses, Bruce and John moved to Salem, Oregon, where living expenses were less than Illinois. To make matters worse, John was kicked out of his church group known as an Association. John Klingbeil related to Bill Sweet what a friend said to him: "I was told that my whole lifework was invalid and was brought to naught! Look at the trouble that your father has caused you and the family." (A Journey into Prayer, page 93.)
45. Later, three Spindrift staff members moved to Salem, Oregon. Bruce said that one avenue for the failure of Spindrift, (or for any serious enterprise), was for mortal mind, (mortal mind is a code word for dark forces), to disrupt the money supply to prevent research from moving forward. If a person doesn't solve his money problem, he won't get his mission done. In the middle 1980s, there was a down-point where the Bruce and John didn't have sufficient money for proper food and monthly rent. The Spindrifters helped make up the difference. Then donations started arriving from admirers of the Klingbeils' groundbreaking experiments. In the 1990s, they were getting financially ahead for the first time since 1984. Bruce and John were planning their first vacation since moving to Salem. They ordered a new bed and chair. They put money down with a dog breeder for a puppy. John purchased a dog house and a doggy chew bone.
46. The research continued until 1993. A Twin Peaks mystery lingers about Bruce and John. In May 1993, they killed themselves.
47. There are many interpretations of this earthshaking event for Spindrift. The interpretation depends on what part of the elephant one touches. The police detectives were satisfied with simple self-inflicted suicides. End of subject. Other investigators said it was unheard of for a father and son to commit suicide together with guns. Yet other people interpreted that sinister forces seeped into the Klingbeils to do self-assassination. A few people close to the Klingbeils feel they were getting themselves out of the way from legal events that would soon ruin Spindrift financially. For example, Bruce and John had recently met with a Salem, Oregon lawyer for legal advice about some legal worries about the future of Spindrift, the psychic attacks on them, and the flood of hate mail and threats about testing sacred prayer. John and Deborah wanted to hire the lawyer to pursue matters further. Bruce did not. An extreme theory developed that the Klingbeils' study and criticism of evil prayers prayed by some religions, like Islam and the Peoples Temple, gave rise to murder. Researchers Christopher Bird, Larry Dossey, and Cleve Backster, who was a crime investigator, felt the suicides didn't add up right and that private investigators should be hired. Inquirers may form their own interpretation of what occurred. (Bruce liked to discuss politics. He mentioned some workers in politics who he thought were under a lot of stress. Vince Foster was one who two months later had a murky suicide in July 1993.) Jeffrey Epstein's August 2019 prison suicide continues to raise suspicions. A detailed account surrounding this awful time for Spindrift is in A Journey Into Prayer, Chapter Ten, "All Alone by the Telephone."
48. Horrendously, some people were happy the Klingbeils were dead. Several people said in effect, "Good. I don't have to worry about those guys causing any more trouble. Spindrift was done from the beginning." A Christian said in effect, "God doesn't allow testing Him. They reaped the inevitable price for trying to test God." After the Spindrift founders were gone, there was less criticism of doing prayer research. What Bill Sweet misses most were the brain storming sessions where ideas were considered to be tested about parapsychology, botany, technology, theology, spirituality, quality, and quantum physics.
49. Bruce, John, and several Spindrifters had concerns about the infinite number of RF radio waves that were bombarding and piercing the minds and bodies of human beings. This worry was before the infinite tipping point of cell phones and Wi-Fi. Also, there was concern for the lack of preparation for EMP (electromagnetic pulse) attacks on the United States. Another worry Bruce, John, and daughter Deborah Klingbeil had was about the "unintended consequences" of the Spindrift findings. Through investigating the findings of the Spindrift experiments, some psychic powers should be found to be true for mankind. A discovery of nonlocal actions by our human consciousness being true could trigger unintended abuses of manipulative and negative thoughts and prayers to control and hurt people. (See paragraphs 12 - 14.) Also, the only other church denomination Spindrift knew about that had a consistent interest in science was the ULCA, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. Bruce, John, and Deborah feared for their own church denomination and for all religious people who wouldn't see the importance of becoming more scientific about their faith. Then when their world of religion, traditions, and values falls apart, they still wouldn't connect the dots concerning the technological advances and atheistic worldviews which have eclipsed and replaced religious values and teachings. The Klingbeils said, "You can't force people to accept what they don't want to accept, even if it benefits them."
50. Bruce and John Klingbeil founded Spindrift as a platform for breakthroughs that should provide preliminary evidence of purpose and accountability for quality prayer and intention to try and keep pace with scientific advances. Historically, Spindrift has played a grassroots background role in shifting the paradigm to include a prayer-a-digm shift (pun intended) where science and religion have some common ground. To learn more about this paradigm shift, see the FAQ questions 12, 13, 20, and 21. Here are seven Coast to Coast AM worldwide radio shows about Spindrift. http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/sweet-bill/6496.
